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Author: gabewest Posted: 13 months 16 days ago
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Question: Will the world like America better when Gitmo is closed?


Answer Percent
Yes
25%

No
75%


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Author: gabewest Posted: 13 months 17 days ago
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https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1213&s_src=email0121

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Author: Pinky Posted: 13 months 19 days ago
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But let them be tried there, not USA.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 19 days ago
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An AP news story about the latest trial at Guantanamo that just was posted on Yahoo states:

Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the self proclaimed architects of 911 terrorist attacks were unapologetic about their roles.... "We did what we did; we're proud of Sept. 11."

These are they types being held at Guantanamo Bay. So for all of you who are up in arms about the "rights" of those there, just know that they are proud of what they did and they would gladly do it again. Oh wait, they just might get the chance if Obama shuts it down.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Okay Great - These are "2", so you think you can just judge the rest of them by what these two did?

Nobody is saying that they should all be treated as if they were innocent, but you don't really know until you try them, now do you?

Should we use the same approach in our prisons?Why bother trying people, there are several that have admitted to killing and have no remorse, so we can save a lot of money by not trying the rest, and let's just execute them all. After all, by your reasoning, they were caught, so surely, they are guilty of something.

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Licha, ok lets look at this from the liberal standpoint even and see if it is a good decision. Say we close Guantanamo Bay, where the terrorists and militants get to hang out with like kind, play sports, pray together, get three square meals a day, most of them are gaining weight from over nourishment.

Now we send them to a prision here. If they are in the general population, they are not safe. Because of this they will be in solitary confinement. They will eat all meals in their cage, they will get out for one hour of exercise by themselves. This sounds like more torture than they have been receiving isn't it.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Your reasoning is so screwed up. I guess by your way of thinking prison must be a great place to be. You get fed, you get to watch TV (maybe), you get to pray and get 1 hour of sunlight each day. You don't have to work, you get to work out, and you don't have to fight traffic. You make it sound so wonderful I wonder why more people don't just volunteer to go to prison!

The ones that will go to prison are the ones that deserve to go to prison. If they have committed an offense that warrants prison, then they'll have to deal with the consequences. Those that we don't find any charges against won't. But it isn't humane to treat all of them as criminals when we haven't proved that they are.

And better still, we restore the integrity of our country, which you republicans seem to value so little. It isn't important to you that we trash the Constitution and neglect to honor our treaties. All you worry about is yourself, the heck with other people's rights!

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Actually the supreme court said that it is constitutional. The last time I checked that was the test.

As far as raiding the constitution, the Democrats have that cornered.

the right to life I am sure Abortion is a direct abomonation of that.

The right to private property (You want to steal it and give it to to hers)

The freedom of speech (You consistently personally attack those who say anything you object to, and can you say "fairness doctrine")

Right to bear arms (Need I say more)

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 13 days ago
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The Supreme Court said What is Constitutional?

You are so far out in "right" field with your accusations. Bush is not a democrat, neither is Cheney, and they are the ones that shredded the Constitution!

Justice Department Memo Issued in 2001 Shows White House Regarded Its Anti-Terror Surveillance Program as 'Immune' From Fourth Amendment's Requirement for Court Warrants;

Since when are the President and VP immune from the Constitution?

Bush and Cheney:
They claimed executive privilege and state secrets to conduct secret government - thereby circumventing political and legal accountability. This included directives to former White House officials Karl Rove and Harriet Miers to flout congressional subpoenas for testimony. They detained hundreds of people (including American citizens) as enemy combatants without accusation or trial. They authorized torture (waterboarding and extraordinary rendition), abductions, secret prisons and illegal surveillance of American citizens.

Your Republican President tried to set his own rules, disregarding our laws and the Constitution, so don't talk to me about Democrats raiding the Constitution.

Bush Vows to Veto Surveillance Bill That Doesn't Grant Telecom Companies Immunity From Lawsuits, But House Democrats Vow They Won't Usurp the Fourth Amendment and Insist It's Up to the Courts -- Not the White House or the Congress -- to Decide Legality of Warrantless Wiretaps

And in regards to Freedom of Speech - it was your stupid president that started the wiretapping. How the heck do you consider that freedom of Speech.

Are you devoid of any sense? That I attack those who say anything I object to does not the Constitution shred - you are doing the same thing, that you would consider that a restriction on your freedom to speak is short of ridiculous. You are still flapping your jaws, so how am I keeping you from speaking?



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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 13 days ago
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Well, The last time that I checked Obama voted for the Surveillance Bill and for keeping the part in there about excusing the Telecom companies from being ripped apart by the trial lawyers that control the Democrat party, when all the Telecom companies did was help the Government out after 9/11.

So since Obama voted for it as well, what is your issue with Bush and not with Obama. That seems kind of hypocritical doesn't it?

Now as far as the wire taps, it was only for people talkng to suspected terrorists in other countries. Afterwards they have to show that the tap was warranted, so that prevents it from being abused. I think that is a pretty reasonable thing to do.

Now what about taking people's private property simply to give to another able boddied person. The constitution and the founding fathers are both against that.

What about the fairness doctrine. Specifically trying to scilence your opposition in the free market. I am pretty sure that the consistution is against that.

The right to life, What about Abortion? Doesn't that take away the right of a completely innocent baby?

The demcorats do not care about the Constitution. They only care about controling others and power.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 13 days ago
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No, it is not hypocritical at all. Obama has explained that he was in favor of that as opposed to Protect America Act and he isn't completely in accord with the way it was written. I believe he didn't want to end it until he has chance to review it more closely. Most democrats are not very happy with that. But that still doesn't get Bush off the hook for getting started.


"This was not an easy call for me," Obama responded in his blog. "I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power."

"I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year," he added, citing a provision in the measure that says "no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court."

As far as abortion. That was a law that was passed during Nixon's administration a Republican and passed by 5 Republican Supreme Court Judges and 2 Democrat Judges, so how do you explain that? The law was drafted by Judge Blackmun, a lifetime Republican!

Justice Blackmun, Author of Abortion Right, Dies
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: March 5, 1999
Justice Harry A. Blackmun, a modest Midwestern Republican who became a passionate defender of the right to abortion in 24 years on the Supreme Court, died today at the age of 90.

So, before you accuse the Democrats about not caring about the Constitution, I suggest you do a little research!

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 13 days ago
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Ok so for doing the same exact thing for the same exact reason, it is bad for Bush to do but not for Obama. Do you not see how delusional that sounds?

As far as abortions go, Obama is for killing those that are born if they were not waqnted. That is spectacular. To bad they weren't polar bears huh. We are not paying for them to be performed around the world. If we are going to spend money around the world on healthcare, how about we vaccinate children, help with aids, or otherwise take care of diseases? Paying for abortions abroad. That s rediculous.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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licha, I think that these 2 might be a good representation of the kind of person they are holding there. Call me cynical, but I do believe that those who are there probably are "guilty of something."
Besides, so they close down Guantanamo and send them somewhere else. What's the difference? Keep it open and try these people as their cases come up.
They cannot be tried in a US court of law as they are battlefield combatants and need a military tribunal.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Great, you sound like the typical Republican. If they are there, they must be guilty.
What about the ones they let go? I guess they weren't guilty, were they?
Bush, Powell and Condoleezza Rice were all for closing it, but I guess they didn't get around to doing it.
I frankly am leaving it up to our leaders to decide. Bush didn't give us the opportunity to say we wanted a war or not, and here we are, so I guess the shoe is on the other foot now.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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You know what I think is ridiculous, licha? All this talk about reading these guys the Miranda warning on the field of battle. What do you think of that? Now, I ask you, did American soldiers in WWII read the germans their rights??

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 13 days ago
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You have the Bush Administration to blame for that.

Some very bad people are likely to walk free along with the innocent because the Bush administration tried to walk around domestic and international principles of law, creating an entirely spurious new designation of “unlawful combatant” so that they could either hide detainees from due process indefinitely or, failing that, conduct kangaroo courts.

If they’d just stuck with the existing definitions, all the Gitmo detainees against whom they could build a real case under the actual rules of law, without torture and without rigging the courts, would have been tried as POW’s already. If found guilty, the death penalty would have been warranted in some cases. I would personally have had no problem with that.

As for the Miranda rights, it was passed by 5 judges in the Supreme Court - 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats, so you can't put that on the Democrats completely!

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Author: hellgate Posted: 13 months 19 days ago
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Not before Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Gonzales are imprisoned there for a few years...

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Author: JBCA Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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Department of Justice Press Release
For Immediate Release
Dec 22, 2008

CAMDEN – A jury today convicted five men on charges they plotted to kill members of the U.S. military, Acting United States Attorney Ralph J. Marra, Jr. announced.


After 5½ days of deliberations, which began Dec. 17, the jury convicted Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, brothers Dritan Duka, Shain Duka and Eljvir Duka and Serdar Tatar on Count One of the seven-count Superseding Indictment that charged them with conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military. The jury acquitted each of defendants of Count Two, which charged attempt to murder members of the U.S. military.

For the conspiracy conviction only, each of the defendants faces a
sentence of any number of years up to life in prison.

The case was tried by Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney William E. Fitzpatrick and Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael A. Hammer, Jr., Chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office Terrorism Unit. U.S. District Judge Robert B. Kugler, who presided over the 12-week trial, scheduled sentencing of the three Duka brothers for April 22. Judge Kugler scheduled sentencing of Shnewer and Tartar on April 23.

The remaining counts of the Superseding Indictment, which was returned in January, charged the three Duka brothers, who are illegal immigrants, and Shnewer with firearm offenses; including possession of machine guns. See below for conviction details on each of the defendants.

The defendants’ arrests occurred on May 7, 2007, in Cherry Hill as Dritan and Shain Duka were meeting a confidential government witness to purchase four automatic M-16 rifles and three semi-automatic AK-47 rifles to be used in a future attack on military personnel. The other defendants were arrested at various locations at about the same time.

“These men planned, trained and ceaselessly talked unambiguously about their intention to ambush and kill U.S. soldiers,” said Marra.

“The word should go out to any other would-be terrorists of the homegrown variety that the United States will find you, infiltrate your group, prosecute you and send you to a federal prison for a very long time.”

“Vigilance was the key to disrupting the dangerous terrorists convicted today and we are glad they are off the street,” said Janice K. Fedarcyk, Special Agent in Charge of the Philadelphia Division of the FBI. “We appreciate the tip from an alert citizen who reported this suspicious activity to law enforcement. Without tips from concerned citizens or cooperation from our law enforcement partners, it is much more difficult to safeguard our nation and protect the United States from terrorist attack.”

“Today's verdicts underscore the need for continued vigilance against homegrown terror threats,” said Patrick Rowan, Assistant Attorney General for National Security. “While these defendants were not members of an international terrorist organization, their involvement in weapons training, their surveillance of domestic targets and their discussions of killing U.S. military personnel posed a serious threat that required the law enforcement disruption and the prosecutions upheld by the jury today.”

In convicting the defendants, the jury found that one member of the group conducted surveillance at Fort Dix and Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware and the U.S. Coast Guard in Philadelphia. The co-conspirator obtained a detailed map of Fort Dix, where they hoped to use assault rifles to kill as many soldiers as possible, according to trial testimony and evidence.

During the trial, the jury viewed secretly recorded videotapes of the defendants preforming small-arms training at a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania and watching training videos amongst themselves that included depictions of American soldiers being killed and of known foreign Islamic radicals urging jihad against the United States.
The defendants and the charges on which each was convicted are as follows:

• Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 23, of Cherry Hill: conspiracy to murder members of the members of the U.S. military, and the attempted possession of AK-47 semi-automatic assault weapons to be used in the attack.
• Dritan Duka, 30 of Cherry Hill: conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military; possession of machine guns; possession and attempted possession of machine guns in furtherance of a crime of violence; and two counts of possession of firearms by an illegal alien.
• Shain Duka, 27, of Cherry Hill: conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military; possession of machine guns; possession and attempted possession of machine guns in furtherance of a crime of violence; and two counts of possession of firearms by an illegal alien.
• Eljvir Duka, 25, of Cherry Hill: conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military, and possession of firearms by illegal aliens. The jury acquitted on one count of possession and attempted possession of machine guns in furtherance of a crime of violence.
• Serdar Tatar, 25, of Philadelphia: conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military.

A sixth co-defendant, Agron Abdullahu, 26, of Buena Vista Township, Atlantic County, pleaded guilty before Judge Kugler on Oct. 31, 2007, to aiding and abetting the Duka brothers’ illegal possession of weapons. Abdullahu was arrested on May 7, 2007, along with the defendants convicted today. On March 31, 2008, Judge Kugler sentenced Abdullahu to 420 months in federal prison.

The charge of conspiracy to murder members of the U.S. military carries a sentence of any number of years up to life in prison. The charge of possession of a machine gun in furtherance of a crime of violence carries a statutory maximum penalty of 30 years imprisonment. The charge of attempted possession of AK-47 semi-automatic assault weapons to be used in the attack carries a statutory maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment. Each count of unlawful possession of machine guns carries a maximum statutory penalty of 10 years in prison. Each count of being an illegal alien in possession of firearms carries a maximum statutory penalty of 10 years in prison.
Marra credited the Special Agents of the FBI's Philadelphia Division and the FBI South Jersey Joint Terrorism Task Force, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Fedarcyk, in Philadelphia, for investigation of the case.

Marra and Fedarcyk also thanked investigators with member agencies of the FBI South Jersey Joint Terrorism Task Force, which comprises ICE’s Philadelphia Division, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge John P. Kelleghan, the Camden County Prosecutor's Office, under the direction of the Prosecutor Warren W. Faulk, NJ State Police, under the direction of Col. Joseph "Rick" Fuentes, Superintendent, and the Delaware River Port Authority Police, under the direction of Chief Dave McClintock, for their tireless efforts on the investigation.


Additionally, Marra and Fedarcyk would like to thank the following agencies for their assistance and support: the U.S. military services at Fort Dix, Fort Monmouth, Dover Air Force Base, and the U.S. Coast Guard in Philadelphia, along with the Cherry Hill Police Department, Mt. Laurel Police Department, Cherry Hill Fire Department, Camden County Sheriff's Department, Philadelphia Police Department, Pennsylvania State Police, the Burlington County Prosecutor's Office, and N.J. Homeland Security.
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Author: illdownunder Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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This is a mistake. I believe if you are after my family I would stop at nothing to prevent you from hurting them. If anyone answering this says differently then I think you either don't love your family or you are lying about keeping them safe. I don't like the idea of what it takes to keep us safe but I can't deny I like being safe.

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Author: freedom2comeback Posted: 13 months 21 days ago
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I agree, you said it like I wanted to say it.

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Author: Sekhmet Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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We should open more...

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All you "fear" mongers, get a grip. Have a little more confidence in your government, this isn't a 3rd World Country, you know.

Correspondents in Washington | January 12, 2009

Article from: The Australian
BARACK Obama said last night he did not expect to honour his campaign pledge to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp in his first 100 days in office, but the US president-elect reiterated his vow to shut the facility eventually.

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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No the sky is not falling, but the fact of the matter is that those people that are locked up want to strap a bomb to their back and stand with you on the bus with your children and blow it up.

So the sky is not falling, but hopefully the limbs of you and your children will not be falling from the sky.

Obama is bringing you closer to that.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Freedom, the only way it will get in to their minds of just how fricken dangerous they are, is when it hits home. Or close to their home.
MY HOME is my country. Not my town or my state. It is my country and I share it with people that want to keep it safe. And those who do not want to keep it safe should, get the hell out!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Where do you people come up with all that BS.

I'm sure that the CIA and FBI and Homeland Security and whatever else we have will just go on vacation and we are all going to be massacred.

Where do you get such nonsense?

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Author: allen9us Posted: 13 months 15 days ago
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Licha, sounds like to me these repubs is really getting the RLPDS real bad. They have now resorted to the old lie, spin and scare tactics. They tried that in the general election and look where it got them, out of power, by a majority of American people.

R=Republinut
L=Lost
P=Power
D=Depression
S=Syndrome

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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I guess allen has the

L- Liberals
H- Have
N-No
S-Substance
J-= Just
A- angry
B-bitter
p-people
s-syndrom

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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You can sure tell by their posts, Allen. Funny, but every now and then I tune in to Rush to see what crap he is feeding his sheep, and the same thing is then repeated here on Buzzdash by them!

They claim they love our Country, but they sure don't mind trampling all over the Constitution when it comes to doing things the way they see fit.

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Oh please. You and Allen can not even support your ideology, so obviously there must be NO substance there.

I do not know where you liberals think that turining our country into a Socialist nation, when no socialist nation has ever prospered is loving your nation. If anything you love Venezuela and should go there in stead of ruining the United States.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Should they move in next door to you, licha?? C'mon, you guys say to shut it down but where are these SCARY terrorist suspects going to go? Should the US take them in ????? Do you want them living in your neighborhood? I think not.


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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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greatlakegal, NO! She lives in Texas.
If you can find out whereabouts, and it isn't around me, then go for it. Well, I take that back!
NO, they should stay where they are!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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I really don't know, but I'm sure they are not going to come to your house. Why are you all spreading all that misinformation?

So what do you think we should do Great? Keep them locked up forever? You don't know for a fact that each and everyone has committed any crime and that they won't go back from where they came, now do you?

Perhaps a better solution for all you gun toting republicans is to just line them up and shoot them up.

Perhaps if you had a little more confidence in our great country and that we have been able to take care of ourselves you wouldn't be imagining all these horrendous things happening to us. The only reason we were attacked on 9/ll is because Bush was asleep at the switch. I don't think Obama is going to be like that.

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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Licha,

"Perhaps if you had a little more confidence in our great country and that we have been able to take care of ourselves you wouldn't be imagining all these horrendous things happening to us."

Perhaps if you had a little more confidence in our great country:

(1) You would realize that we would not just lock people up forever unless we had good cause. They let go the ones they thought were the least of a treat, and 81 of them have been confirmed to go back to commiting terrorist activities.

(2) You would have enough confidence in the people of this country to know that they can take care of themselves and that they know how to do so, and you would think that it is their responsibility to take care of themselves.

As far as blaming 9-11 on Bush, I guess you really are bling to the whole looking to the actual cause of events. I guess that is why you are a liberal, you simply can not think about things at an advanced level of thinking.

It was planned under clinton, they learned to fly under clinton, they were here illegally under clinton, and the security measures in place at the very beginning of Bush's presidency were still Clinton's as well.

Give me a break.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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I echo Freedom's comments whole heartledly, licha. What he says is true. President Bush is to be commended for keeping us safe since 9-11. I have utmost respect for our departing president and have very little confidence in the new one. I hope I am wrong, but I fear America will not be as safe under Obama as it was under President Bush.
And these are not imagined fears, my friend, but all too real.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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Well Great - All I can say to you is start building your shelter.
Maybe if you didn't listen to the newscasters of doom who are predicting all these terrible things and start trusting in God. You claim to be a Christian, no. Well, God doesn't give us the spirit of fear. Maybe you should start reading your bible, then you wouldn't be so scared.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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You are right that faith and fear cannot exist at the same time. I think you misunderstand me. I'm not fearful for myself at all... whatever happens, happens (to me). I DO worry about my kids futures. I DO think about other Americans, like those at the world trade centers, who just got obliterated and soooooooooooo don't want that to happen to anyone ever again.
I am Catholic and am at peace with thoughts of my death, whenever it comes.
I do not believe, though, that we should turn people out of a prison that they are in if they are a danger to society. These folks at G-bay have been plucked from the terrorism battlefield. Do we set them loose to try again?


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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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First of all, the Obama's team to handle the details of the whole GITMO situation is developing a plan that has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. I don't think that either party is going to agree on something that they will later be criticized for if it looks risky. And I haven't read anywhere, where they are just going to turn them loose. But, if they are not found guilty of any crime, you still feel that they should be incarcerated?

Also, most of the detainees have not even been charged with a crime. As Americans (and as Christians) we cannot put people in dungeons forever without processing whether they deserve to be there or not.

As to the matter of fear. Don't you believe that God will take care of your kids just as he takes care of you? I think we should start praying for our president elect, that he will be led by God instead of wringing our hands in fear of presupposed events.

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Author: shadow76 Posted: 13 months 19 days ago
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Being prudentisn't the same as being afraid. You don't say you trust GOD then jump in fromt of a bus. Same goes if we don't safeguard our freedoms and country from an enemy of Christians. We have a prsident-elect who wants to talk to terroists without preconditions. These people don't respect talking or wishy washyness, (like clinton).

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 19 days ago
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You are still repeating the sound bites of the McCain campaign. He really blew it out of proportion when he insisted that Obama would just jump in and start talking, fortunately the smart people didn't believe McCain.

No, you don't say you trust God and jump in front of a bus, that is stupidity. But, you know, you are not in charge of what is going to take place. You can write a letter to your Congressman, Senator or whoever, but ultimately, the ones that are paid to make those decisions, will. So it doesn't do you much good to sit and wring your hands about it, because you won't be consulted for a decision. That is what I mean about trusting God. Apparently you are not a Christian and wouldn't understand the concept, so go ahead and call all your friends and scare them to death, tell them that the terrorists are coming to your backyard!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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F4 - Perhaps you should thank your President Bush for creating yet another behemoth for our next president to handle. Dealing with the whole GITMO situation would not even be a consideration if Bush hadn't invaded IRAQ. So, again, thank you President Bush. It is a fact that GITMO has become part of a self-defeating Bush Administration policy that actually strengthened terrorist organizations.

Bush's policies violated human rights and are suspect from a national security point of view, which have suggested that prisoners should be tried and if they are found guilty they should be imprisoned. You cannot put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there or not.

Bush's commissions to handle the whole GITMO situation has been condemned by human rights groups and defense attorneys for lax of evidence, rules and "intense" secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even simply just walked out.

You say that we would not lock people up forever unless we had good cause, well that is questionable since most of the detainees have not been charged with a crime.

Now, what I am saying about confidence in our great country is that you shouldn't be getting all up in the air about it before it is even a reality.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties.

I don't think they are just going to decide to release the detainees as the bloggers on this bite have been intimating.

So instead of getting all upset, why don't you be a little more patriotic and trust that our new president will do what is best for you and for me and for the whole country. Quit listening to your biased news reporters who want you to think that Obama is going to move them into the house next to yours.



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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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I guess you forget that the Democrats voted to send us to Iraq as well with the support of 80% of the population.

The way the democrats have actually no morals and blame Bush for what they did as well, I would almost bet that you were in the 80% .

Give me a break. Those people in there. BAD PEOPLE.

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Author: greatlakesgal Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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Exactly correct again, F4.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 21 days ago
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F4 - I already gave you all the data on how the vote went down.

You apparently are in denial and part of the 14% who still think Bush was great.

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 21 days ago
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I know how the vote went down, and I know 80% of the population was for the war. I simply think that it is pathetic for people to vote for it and be for it, and then as soon as troops are in harms way, do everything they can to hurt their efforts and make their deaths in vain.

I also told you that I was int he 20% that was not for the war, but strongly believe that getting close to victory and declaring defeat and leaving millions of Iraquis to be slaughtered is simply wrong. An overwelming majority of people were for it, and they should have the stomach to finish the job.

George Bush stuck to his guns and did what needed to be done, even after the coward Democrats gave up on the mission a majrity of them sent them to do. It cost him a GREAT DEAL OF SCRUTINY AND EVEN THOSE THAT WANTED US TO GO INTO IRAQ NOW HATE HIM FOR ACTUALLY HAVING CONVICTION.

It shows how many Americans do not think with their heads, only with thoughtless emotions. Of course the Democrat party is known for that and depends on people with no conviction like that.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 21 days ago
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F4 - I was for the war myself when Bush had me believing that there were WMDS.

It wasn't until it was revealed that he lied, that I was angry and felt betrayed.

I think that was the same thing with many of our Congressmen - they were lied to and they thought they were doing the right thing.

It is a good thing to help others who are being victimized, but that wasn't what the country was told. That is why it has caused so much anger. If we had known we were going in there solely to help the people, there would have been many that wouldn't have agreed, because there are a lot of people in America that do not like their tax dollars going to help others.

I know I will never get you to see my point, and I do not see any way that I am ever going to agree with you. We will just have to wait and see what historians make of the whole thing, no?

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 21 days ago
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Come on, I have shown you videos of the Democrats making a case for it before Bush was even president.

So stop with your BS.

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Author: allen9us Posted: 13 months 15 days ago
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F$, here is how it went down, the idiot from Texas got on TV, lied to the American people, lied to congress, lied to the U.N. Our prison system can handle the 700 some odd
prisoners there. We have MANY maximum security prisons the people could go, if found guilty. The prosecuters from the bush admin has files on these prisoners all over the place. They cannot even find some of the files they said they had. Gitmo is a joke, it is past time for it to be shutdown. As in the language of the Order, it will take a year to close the facility down. It will take 3/4 of that time just to get all the paper work in one location, where it can be evaluated. Before, some repub claims that Clinton lied to the American people, you are right, but Clintons lie did not kill over 4000 Americans and countless Iraq civilians, and drain the treasury. The scare tactics will not work!!!

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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Hey dip sht.

There are tapes of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi,. and all of the other Dip sht dummies that are two damn big of cowards to stand on their own damn statements on tape rallying up people for the war. I have posted them time and time again. I know that you are not completely retarded, so therefore you simply must like lieing to try to fool people that the people in your party arte a bunch of spineless arrogant jackasses such as yourself.

But guess what. We have dideo. Anyone with a half a brain and care enough to want to know the truth knows better. But you, Tampa, Licae, and Pabar are simply dishonest worthless and spineless people that have no desire to know the truth or make sure others know the truth. You are all a bunch of cowards .

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 14 days ago
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F4 - Why do you have to resort to calling names?
Because you've run out of facts.

Why is it that you don't understand why they were rallying for the war? I told you before, even I was for the war - but that was because I believed Bush's lies! Get it!!!

Bush lied, we believed him. He has since been exposed, we know he knew there were no WMDs but he kept his big fat trap shut! We know better, apparently you still don't. You still believe that he didn't know beforehand! That makes you a dumas!

So quit acting like a spoiled child calling people names. If you want to be respected as a valid debater, stick to decent words! Don't join the group of Reps on here that act like children.

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Author: bluelady Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Can we let them go with a big red sign GP and a circle on their chest??

LOL

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Author: Freedom4 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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I guess he is just going to let them into the United States, or release them to other countries that will just let them go.

Once here, what do we do when their own countries will not take them back. Do we just let them go here?

Over 81 of the detainees that have been released are known to go back to terrorist activities and those were considered the least dangerous ones. What about the ones still in there.

Do you all feel safer?

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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NO, I dont

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Author: shadow76 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Where do you want the terrorists in Iraq killing our people? Or better yet you want living next door to You?.

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Author: whodeyslim Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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its a disgrace to for the country to be associated with it

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Author: flounder Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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whodey,,,What do you want to do with them. It's not perfect, I agree. They have resolved the problems as far as I know.

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Author: shadow76 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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flounder, all the alleged problems were total lies any way.

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Author: flounder Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Shadow,,To be honest,,I totally believe that. They dont.

SO,,,,Let them have their beliefs. Doesn't matter now,,not if said problems were taken care of.
That said,,,what are they bitching for, YA KNOW

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Author: whodeyslim Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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well if they say they were lies then I guess that must be true, seriously??, there's a lot of things that've happened there that the general population don't know about

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Guantanamo has been there long before we were putting terrorist there. I knew a guy stationed there and he referred to it as GITNO, because there weren't any women there. Just a fact I thought I'd put out there.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Good day bitterwon, looks like the fight is on huh?
I want it to be a place for the terroist to go, I don't want them here.
So, GITNO, is a open place. Where else should they go?

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Author: flounder Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Hi changed,,,flounder here,,,oh,,,,na just me. I just answered another letter. Lets hope this gets better.

I say,,keep those S.O.B's locked up, so we can keep an eye or two or three or four,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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NO KIDDIN' huh bitterwon, Run to The Hills, Run For Your Life!

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Hi flounder, I am smothered in submissions, I am slowly come up for air. LOL I will here soon!!!!!
How is your day? I see you did not quite slay the DRAGON!

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Author: flounder Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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I know,,,very busy day. I been all over. responded to a looooong letter from hillbilly,,I sent him a looooooog letter back,,HA!!

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Oh goodness, well, some idiot thought we were calling out the big guns to a bite. When I called you over to help with that song? Paranoid!
I want that dragon slayed flounder!
But did you remeber the name of that song?

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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We gotta keep em' there. If they come here the liberals will give them trials like they are Americans. If that happens we will have an influx of home induced terrorism. This is going to be a very serious situation, and I don't think the people are thinking ahead. Of course they will say it is right wing crazy talk, but they are playing with real evil here, and I don't like what I see.

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Author: kk8 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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All is not lost Bitterwon, maybe they will all be able to track Obama via blackberry.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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kk, lmao...........Keep the damned place open for business. More are to come!

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Did you know the FBI has Blackberries, but they are told never to send classified information on them. Do you know why? Because they are unsecured that is why.

he is supposed to be smart, but can't even figure out simple security issues.

How safe are we going to be kk8?

I love this country more than my own life, but it seems like no one cares anymore. This seems like it is going to be a bad era.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Bitterwon, I was with my husband and he asked me, "Why can't he keep it" I fell out laughing. I thought of buzzdash. I said 'come on'think about it. And he shook his head an said, "No doubt, he better give it up to keep the US safe" Duh!

But, if they are saying you can't have it, there is a damn good reason for it!

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Author: kk8 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Well bitterwon, looks like he will get his blackberry afterall. This was on msn today.

Clinton sent only two e-mail messages as president and has yet to pick up the habit. President George W. Bush ceased using e-mail in January 2001 but has said he's looking forward to e-mailing "my buddies" after leaving Washington, D.C.

President-elect Barack Obama, though, is a serious e-mail addict. "I'm still clinging to my BlackBerry," he said in a recent interview with CNBC. "They're going to pry it out of my hands."

One reason to curb presidential BlackBerrying is the possibility of eavesdropping by hackers and other digital snoops. While Research In Motion offers encryption, the U.S. government has stricter requirements for communications security.

"Without more details I would have to say that putting sensitive or classified information on a BlackBerry is a risky proposition," said Greg Shipley, chief technology officer at Neohapsis, a governance, risk and compliance consultancy.

Fortunately for an enthusiastic e-mailer-in-chief, some handheld devices have been officially blessed as secure enough to handle even classified documents, e-mail and Web browsing.

HOW ABOUT THIS:

The Obama administration can be expected to execute homeland security and counterterrorism policy in a substantially different framework than the Bush Administration. Multilateralism rather than unilateralism and efforts to work within U.S. and international law, rather than rise above it, are likely to be priorities. Unlike Bush, Obama is not inclined to make a battle against global terrorism the focal point of his presidency or the primary measure of his success.


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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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kk8, EXACTLY.....I hope he is jacking around, ya know, kiddin'. He better hand it over or keep it and disconnect service. Chele can do it!
The hackers ,(all of the hackers) will be on him like stink on ----!

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Author: kk8 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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He's a big baby, he'll probably get his way, and then get himself killed. President Biden? Yikes!

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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kk8, it will take all the hackers off of our backs to see which one can hack in there first.
And then we have the terrorist......he better give it up. It could not only put his, his family, and friends but, all of US!

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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kk8 I just re-read this and WTF?

Emailing and is safe? When, I didn't hear the news!

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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BITTERWON, A M E N !

No, they will let them loose.

When someone will strap a big bomb to themselves so they can go to heaven for a bunch of "Virgins" Yes, pure fricken EVIL. I just don't get it?

What will it take? A bigger 9/11?

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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When we start seeing suicide bombers here in the U.S. the people will cry and ask questions as to why this is happening. We can then point our finger at the great Obama and ask him some real questions, and maybe then he will answer them without a speech writer. Then we will see how good of a speaker he really is.

I heard he is only going to be asked questions by people he hand chooses. Wow...what would they have said if Bush did that...I wonder?

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Bitterwon, then they really will be running to the hills, and they will not Blame Obama...it will be Bush's fault!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Bit - Let's just say that Obama won't stumble all over his words like dummy Bush does, that's for sure! Obama is eloquent and knows what to say, unlike Bush, who can't even pronounce Nuclear "Nukler"!

You repubs are pathetic. Do they teach you fear in your church or do you pick it up from Rush?

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Don't reply to me anymore stupid.

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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You are the one that is stupid. If you don't want a response, don't post. I guess you can't read? Go over the rules of Buzzdash. If you post your crap on here, expect responses.
I guess you can't handle the heat either? What a dummy.

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Author: magill1951 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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licha it just occurred to me why the terrorist aren't afraid of Bush they don't know what the hell he's saying.. " nukler what the hell does he mean Mohammad by nukler""

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Magill, not right, you have the same accent? No?
Why make fun of someones accent?

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Magill - You make me laugh! I think you hit the nail on the head.

I really think the interpreter couldn't tell what the heck he was saying! Such words as

misunderestimate, unceptable, internets, mericans, tearist, hispanically, subliminable!

The terrorists didn't know he was talking about them because he called them tearist!



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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Hey Magill - talking about the big babies, I just read a post where one of KK's cronies is calling on her supporters to come over to the Blog "Who was the better first Lady" - to help her.
I guess they aren't as tough as they claim to be. They have to call on their friends to come and rescue them, what whiners!
They've got to be Repubs!

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Damn its cold today. 5 degrees today and tonight I hear it is gonna be -12. I love global warming.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Bitter cold HUH? LOL I bet in NY it is cold as all get out. I was fixin to say cold as hell, but I bet you wish. For now anyway. How much snow?

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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84in. to date. So far.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Oh shit, I am so sorry......It is 50 and I am bitching about that. I have on a T-shirt and jeans. No coat. So, So, Sorry.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Bitter, sorry....but what do you mean?
He will only be asked questions by his people.

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Author: Bitterwon Posted: 13 months 22 days ago
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On the news it was reported that he will only answer questions by people that are hand picked by him. The other white house reporters were told not to even raise their hands because he will not call on them.

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Author: medwards777 Posted: 13 months 24 days ago
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yeah with the residents inside..

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 24 days ago
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No, way. Give them a court date and either get rid of them or if guilty, do what needs to be done. Gitmo needs to stay open. There are more terrorist that will coming in soon.

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Author: flounder Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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True,,we might even know some.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Flounder, come to Who will be a better first lady. KK needs a hand, you to bitterwon, they are saying we will all come , so lets do it!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Yeah, call all the Big Guns cause you weaklings can't handle the heat! I thought you were all such great debaters? More like big BS'ers.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Phhhhhht, hissssssssss!

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Author: licha Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Same to you!

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Author: catlady Posted: 13 months 24 days ago
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I do not agree with everything that goes on at Gitmo, but where else should all those crimials go?

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Author: PianoMan Posted: 13 months 24 days ago
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Not closed but give them due process.

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Author: shadow76 Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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piano why should they get any due process?they are not US citizens. They are not part of any military. They are murderous terrorists who would kill you on sight if he could.

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Author: changed Posted: 13 months 23 days ago
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Yep, their process is past due!
If they are let go, then we will end up right back where it all started! They won't just give up. No,no,no, they want us dead!

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