Some dissent among Democrats on Obama agenda. You see that as more:

Huh? Nobody said Rush wasn't patriotic, just stupid. He's a moron who loves his country. So? The question was about dissent among Democrats, Eunoch!

Are you even aware that the cartoon you've chosen to illustrate your bio is Bill the Cat by that bastion of liberal thought, Berkeley Breathed?

So you proved you know something about liberalism. And? I happended to like Bloom County. You see? Another difference between liberals and conservatives. Contrary to liberals, conservatives don't have to hate all things created by people whose political views are on the other end of the spectrum.

Exept the party in power now, is far left. And every year, the "center-leftists" float further to the left and then continue stating they are the center. You also forgot the plethora of Democrats masquerading as Republicans. these two exeptions comprise the majority of Capitol Hill today. Where ya' been buddy? Red Square?

Nothing Limpball says is relevant......just an entertainer.....his words

It doesn't debunk anything...It just shows that Obama's policies are so far left that some of the more moderate Dems just don't feel comfortable backing him. People are beginning to wake up and see through his socialist agenda.

tuffnutt----------- so you think Obama helping the economy is socialist and that's all of us involved but Bush helping out wall street and auto-makers and other big business is OK it's not socialist that's OK by you republicans ...tell me how would you explain hypocrisy ????

There is no hypocrisy here, magil. Answering your last question first...we were told by Bernanke and Paulson that the banks needed an infusion of cash in order to have funds to lend. So, the first $700 Billion was supposed to go to purchase the toxic assets from these instituitons which would free up their cash to lend. Evidently this was bogus and Timothy Geitner was in charge of putting the plan together to get the banking industry moving again. After the funds were approved, Paulson and Geitner changed their minds on how to use the money. I was one of the few Republicans on board with this bailout and now I'm beginning to think I was wrong to support it.

As for AIG, we were told they were too big to fail and that's probably true. They insure all of the big banks and much more worldwide. The money given to them was a loan and they do have the assets to pay this back in full. Not helping AIG would have had horrendous reprocussions throughout the world economy.

Regarding the auto industry, this was more of a Democratic Congress dealing, not Bush. Most Republicans have not supported the auto industry bailout knowing the industry cannot survive in it's current form. This is now being proven by GM as they are now asking for even more money. The failing auto companies need to go ahead and file for Chapter 11 and restructure. They cannot continue in their present form.

What gets my goat is that Obama and the Dems want to raise the CAFE standards on the US automakers making it all the more difficult for them to establish profitability.

As for Obama's helping the economy...He is not helping the economy...

The new $787 Billion Bailout basically is spending on programs that provides very few jobs. The plan is just more tax and spend. Most ot the money is for more govt programs, lest we forget the govt does not produce on tangible item, but is a drag on the economy.

Obama wants to tax the profitable corporations and small businesses that are really the job creators...the Golden Goose. The more they pay in taxes, the less they can expand their businesses and hire workers.

Growing the government at the expense of the private sector is a way to make citizens more beholding to govt. The $13/week some people will see as a result of the stimulus bill will be quickly spent in higher fuel and manufacturing costs through his cap and trade policies.

Magil, you're a smart man...I could go on and on about all of this but I don't need to explain all of this to you. I think you get it.

tuffnutt iam running late but i will say this the first guy to talk about giving our money away was Bush on the front lawn of the WH and he said make it quick true or false

Bush, at the request of Bernanke and Paulson asked for money to buy up toxic assets and get the banks to lending again.

What Obama is doing is completely different. If you don't like the bail out stuff, you should join me in voting for Newt Gingrich next go
round...He was never for any of these bailouts.

tuffnutt that would be a breath of freash air for a politican to say deal with your own shit and noooooo your big ol' business people bail -your own asses out

well, magil...currently many of the banks are talking about giving back the stimulus money. They don't want the govt telling them how to run their business. I just heard this on CNBC.

Also, thumbs up to the states that are not wanting the bailout money. Seems like you are saying the same thing.

tuffnutt hoooray yyyyyyy i hope they do give it back ------but now the question is did they need it ,,I thought it was urgent the sky was falling ...very puzzlings ..

I agree...it is puzzling...and from both administrations.

trublu, I like the way you put it. I will pay for 1/2.

Well said Lin & Lunez..It reminds me of his congressional speech:

I know that we haven’t agreed on every issue thus far, and there are surely times in the future when we will part ways. But I also know that every American who is sitting here tonight loves this country and wants it to succeed. That must be the starting point for every debate we have in the coming months, and where we return after those debates are done. That is the foundation on which the American people expect us to build common ground.